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[15:02:39] <mfilion> o/
[15:03:00] <Lyude> Hi everyone! We can actually skip roll call because we've already got enough folks for quorum it seems
[15:03:09] <Lyude> Agenda for today: Freenode takeover, status update from fdo admins, X.org/freedesktop.org domain status, XDC2020 invoices status, XDC2021, XDC2022, XDC2022 sponsors, HDMI 2.1, EVoC, Sharing of non-redistributable game traces among X.org members
[15:03:38] <Lyude> Going to go over the freenode takeover first, since it happened pretty fast and we probably should take some kind of action today:
[15:03:56] <mfilion> thks for fixing samuelig
[15:04:07] <Lyude> Freenode takeover: Basically, it seems that a rogue Freenode admin who resigned a while ago decided to sell the rights to freenode to the actual crown prince of Korea without telling anyone else on staff, and now Andrew (the crown prince) is essentially trying to take a spot on the Freenode staff while additionally getting access to all of Freenode's user data. It's basically a power
[15:04:09] <Lyude> grab, and some members of Freenode's staff have already stepped down and stated that everyone should now consider Freenode a hostile entity. As such, a large portion of our community has already prepared to move their IRC channels elsewhere. A couple of folks have already pointed out that if possible, we should try to have a somewhat coordinated move of channels over to a new network
[15:04:11] <Lyude> so that hopefully we can keep most of them in one place. Do we have a preference for what network we'd like to ask projects to move over to, and is the board OK with me making an announcement regarding this?
[15:04:13] <Lyude> Also more info: https://gist.github.com/aaronmdjones/1a9a93ded5b7d162c3f58bdd66b8f491
[15:04:29] <samuelig> hi!
[15:05:34] <Lyude> Forgot to mention: the two main networks that seem like would be worth considering are OFTC (this network) and libera (where a lot of other channels on freenode seem to be moving to now)
[15:05:40] <danvet> I think all we could/should do is a recommendation where to migrate too, and maybe ask fd.o admins whether they can help with some bots to remind users where we moved to
[15:06:09] <danvet> and either we drop a recommendation now, or start a discussion on members@ + usual lists about thoughts
[15:06:17] <keithp> oftc has known governance and relation to SPI
[15:06:37] <keithp> I'd suggest that makes it the obvious host for our developer IRC channels
[15:06:39] <samuelig> as discussed before this meeting, I prefer OFTC due to its long track record (20 years old), SPI-backed and strong OSS alignment
[15:06:43] <danvet> yeah my personal take is that before I recommend libera I want the governance question settled
[15:06:52] <mfilion> I don't have much of an opinion on IRC but if we're already on OFTC, why not move everything here? why the need for Libera?
[15:06:53] <Lyude> danvet: yeah - I'm totally fine with that, the members I've talked to so far are interested in seeing some kind of coordinated move that involves the x.org members having input
[15:06:54] <danvet> and this could take a long time
[15:06:58] <keithp> danvet: why would we suggest libera when OFTC is an SPI project?
[15:07:27] <danvet> keithp, this was a conditional statement
[15:07:44] <danvet> because with oftc I have no such reservations, plus there's some obvious ties
[15:07:45] <keithp> danvet: I wasn't responding to your note :-)
[15:07:52] <samuelig> keithp, I guess because many freenode admins moved/created libera
[15:08:01] <keithp> just noting that oftc exists to support free software development
[15:08:08] <keithp> libera has a broader charter
[15:08:29] <Lyude> it's not that much broader tbh, but I definitely do agree that oftc seems like the obvious choice her
[15:08:31] <Lyude> *here
[15:08:42] <danvet> oftc tends to also have a bunch of related communities already
[15:08:45] <hwentlan> is the reason most FDO channels were on freenode, not OFTC, mainly historical (i.e. it's just been like that)?
[15:08:46] <danvet> like kernel tends to be there too
[15:08:54] <keithp> hwentlan: I assume so
[15:08:57] <danvet> aside from the connection with spi/debian ofc
[15:09:15] <samuelig> hwentlan, because it was more popular perhaps? dunno
[15:09:17] <danvet> so yeah for me if we do a recommendation today, I'd go with oftc
[15:09:24] <keithp> 'lost in the mists of time'
[15:09:48] <hwentlan> i'd agree OFTC is the obvious choice. i don't know enough about libera to really comment on that
[15:09:50] <mfilion> +1 for oftc
[15:09:58] <danvet> no one made a catchy rhyme about a forged ring for us to remember the lore
[15:10:35] <keithp> and in the darkness bind them
[15:10:37] <keithp> yeah
[15:10:38] <Lyude> so: I'm totally willing to write an email for this today (I'm busy but will make the time for this, since it's somewhat urgent) if we're agreed that we'll recommend oftc, and explain why but also open the floor for input from members on what they think
[15:10:38] <danvet> so should we do a separate mail to explain why we all recommend that?
[15:10:41] <danvet> or obvious?
[15:11:06] <Lyude> everyone OK with that?
[15:11:15] <danvet> +1
[15:11:17] <anholt> I'm in favor of oftc, fwiw.
[15:11:23] <anholt> (just arrived, was in another meeting)
[15:11:27] <keithp> Lyude: yeah, I think we can provide recommendations but if developers end up using other servers, that's fine
[15:11:30] <Lyude> hey emma! and np
[15:11:32] <Lyude> keithp: of course
[15:12:04] <Lyude> hwentlan, samuelig ^ ?
[15:12:11] <samuelig> +1 oftc and to the email
[15:12:11] <hwentlan> +1
[15:12:18] <Lyude> approved, will do it after this meeting then
[15:12:36] <Lyude> next up is an update from the fdo admins:
[15:12:43] <Lyude> Status from fdo admins: Apparently some of the elastic storage we used for packet is getting decommissioned on June 1st including some git data, backups and artifacts. They already discussed this with packet and packet provided some more machines with local storage.
[15:12:45] <Lyude> As of today: there is a new cluster with those machines that should be more tolerant to faults. All of the git data on those disks have been migrated to the new cluster, and Benjamin is in the process of migrating parts of the backups and the artifacts to the new cluster. So even in the worse case scenario, we don't lose anything important.
[15:12:47] <Lyude> Once that's completed, a few steps need to be done: migrate the rest of the git data to the new cluster, migrate minio-packet to the new cluster, migrate the db to the new cluster, and then get rid of the old cluster. Finally, they will try to deploy the rullers in the cluster itself, but by locking them down more. That should bring us back to a good level of service, as we currently
[15:12:49] <Lyude> have one runner down ATM.
[15:13:19] <keithp> Lyude: just don't attempt to actually explain the freenode situation other than mentioning the turmoil in general terms
[15:13:54] <Lyude> keithp: yeah my thought was to just post a link to the messages from the freenode folks and leave it at that
[15:14:11] <Lyude> erm - that's not the whole email I mean, but in terms of explaining what happened
[15:14:20] <keithp> Lyude: how about a link to the lwn.net article instead :-)
[15:14:30] <Lyude> keithp: oh didn't know there was one, I'm happy to use that instead
[15:14:51] <keithp> https://lwn.net/Articles/856543/
[15:15:18] <keithp> lwn: 'paper of record for free software'
[15:15:31] <danvet> yeah just one para for now, but expect a full article I guess
[15:15:54] <Lyude> alright, last thing from my side is EVoC: I started the email thread with Trevor but this week and last have been very busy, so I haven't had time to go through it totally and send out announcements
[15:16:18] <Lyude> hopefully week after next things should be clearing up for me a bit
[15:16:38] <Lyude> I guess next up is XDC2021, and 2022. samuelig ?
[15:17:23] <samuelig> yeah, one minute
[15:18:19] <samuelig> XDC 2021: finally send CfP announcement. There are some pending things to do in the website: improve design (organizers will do it), fix DNS redirection (it seems Indico removed the multiple dns resolution feature from the code, and we need to hack it) and add a backup to the website. Other than that, organizers are preparing a document for speakers based in last year one
[15:19:05] <samuelig> so things started moving
[15:19:32] <mfilion> samuelig I still have on my to-do here to figure out the sponsors box issue, and the mobile issue (I had gotten both working on the XDC2019 site)
[15:20:05] <samuelig> yeah, I forgot those. thanks mfilion 
[15:20:50] <samuelig> XDC 2022: finally sent RfP announcement. there might be another potential organizer but it is too soon to know. For the moment several people showed some interest but still too soon to become real
[15:21:11] <mfilion> several people? nice
[15:21:20] <samuelig> as mentioned in the announcement, our target is NA again (or any other place if co-located with relevant conferences)
[15:21:40] <samuelig> let's hope XDC 2022 is in-person again 
[15:22:19] <Lyude> alright - next up is x.org/freedesktop.org domain status. keithp, you were going through to find out what other domains we currently were using correct?
[15:22:30] <danvet> I signed up for that actually
[15:22:35] <Lyude> oh whoops
[15:22:49] <danvet> kicked the mail to sitewranglers just before the meeting since no reply yet
[15:22:50] <keithp> Lyude: I know of a few I hold, but not a complete list of what's in use
[15:23:13] <keithp> fontconfig.org iirc, otherwise it's pretty quiet here
[15:23:14] <danvet> yeah going from what we actually host should be most reliable I hope
[15:23:18] <keithp> could easily let some just  expire
[15:23:29] <danvet> keithp, didn't you have something about cairo too?
[15:23:49] <keithp> I thought cworth held cairographics.org. just a sec
[15:24:53] <danvet> Lyude, issue #37 in gitlab btw
[15:25:04] <Lyude> danvet: oh right - I also added an agenda label to gitlab the other day for you
[15:25:24] <Lyude> danvet: I guess we just have to see if sitewranglers responds by next board meeting then?
[15:25:31] <danvet> yeah
[15:25:40] <Lyude> gotcha
[15:26:14] <Lyude> mdnavare: you around? going to go through the other agenda items first before yours but feel free to poke me if you're here
[15:26:22] <keithp> danvet: looks like I do hold cairographics.org at retsiger.com still? Expires 2026
[15:26:40] <Lyude> hwentlan: next item would be yours, any updates on HDMI 2.1?
[15:27:00] <hwentlan> yes, i finally sent the email to the hdmi forum
[15:27:04] <hwentlan> let's see how they respond
[15:27:12] <hwentlan> you should all be CCd
[15:27:17] <keithp> heh. I need info about HDMI 2.1a
[15:27:20] <danvet> keithp, collected in the issue so we don't forget
[15:27:22] <samuelig> hwentlan, \o/
[15:27:25] <keithp> danvet: tnx
[15:27:35] <Lyude> awesome, thanks for the work hwentlan!
[15:27:55] <Lyude> I guess that just leaves anholt's work on redistributable game traces, any updates?
[15:28:22] <anholt> no update, I got pinged by tomeu today that I need to actually write that email
[15:29:03] <hwentlan> keithp, trying to get clarification from the HDMI Forum to allow open-source implementations of HDMI 2.1 items since a lot of people read the spec as being confidential and an open-source implementation might break that confidentiality stipulation
[15:29:25] <keithp> hwentlan: yup
[15:29:35] <Lyude> anholt: gotcha
[15:29:55] <Lyude> anyway - I don't think mdnavare is here so I guess we can end this meeting early. thanks for coming everyone!
[15:30:21] <samuelig> thanks!
[15:30:29] <mfilion> thanks Lyude !
[15:30:31] <hwentlan> thanks everyone
[15:31:10] <keithp> tnx!
[15:32:20] <danvet> Lyude, oh no sponsor catching updates for xdc21
[15:32:22] <danvet> fwiw
[15:32:38] <Lyude> danvet: oh! I accidentally checked that item off by accident apparently so it's good there were no updates :)
[15:44:56] <Lyude> btw mfilion you still around? I totally forgot to ask about whether you've had a chance to schedule the equinox meeting or not this month
[15:46:18] <mfilion> I chatted with daniels and he suggested I follow up on benjamin's email first, so I have on my to-do to write something
[15:46:29] <mfilion> will try to do it tomorrow and send it out, and go from there
[15:49:14] <Lyude> mfilion: gotcha, thanks for the update!
[15:49:22] <mfilion> np! sorry I forgot to mention it earlier
[15:49:38] <Lyude> it's cool - I would have mentioned it on the agenda but somehow missed it

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